If Americans Knew Alison Weir…
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Transcript: Alison Weir on The Free American Hour, August 25, 2010
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Below is a complete transcript of Alison Weir’s August 25, 2010 appearance on the Free American Hour internet radio show, hosted by far-Right and anti-Semitic activist Clay Douglas (freeamerican dot com). The full audio of this broadcast is available here. Alison Weir has also appeared on the Free American Hour on April 23, 2010 and February 9, 2011.
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[Introductory music.]
[1:30]
Clay Douglas: Alright, good morning ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another edition of The Free American Hour. I’m your host Clay Douglas and my guest today is Alison Weir of If Americans Only Knew [sic]… Hello Alison, how are you?
Alison Weir: I’m fine, and thanks, how are you?
CD: I’m doing well, dear. You know, I invited you back on the show because I wanted to talk about the threats… I’ve got another range [?] that I want to reach, but… you got threats on you not too long ago, uh…
AW: Well, um…
CD: Tell me about them.
[2:07]
AW: It actually was… Sure, I’d be glad to. It was actually back in 2003 that we got a really explicit threat. Now and then we do get emails or phone calls with sort of veiled threats. But this was in 2003 after I had been in a debate on the UC Berkeley campus with two people, very intensely supportive of Israel no matter what Israel does, and two of us who I feel represented American principles and were committed to the facts. So the debate occurred on October 1st, 2003 as I recall, and it was a very fair debate. It was moderated by the dean of students who is certainly not pro-Palestinian or really… You know, he’s not as I’m aware, voiced any opinion on the concept [?] at all. He is a typical university administrator and it was sponsored by the Associated Students of University of California, the official student organization that’s at the university. So it was a very fair, mainstream debate in which both sides had exactly equal time to speak, no one interrupted the other, etcetera. The kind of debate that I think is valuable to have. And that night after the debate somebody left us a voicemail that we played when we got into the office the next morning, saying that he and his buddies, trained by the Israeli military, were going to come in and kill all of us. A little disconcerting
[3:50]
CD: Well, yeah. Pleasant, pleasant guy there.
AW: Yeah. He said, “This is not a joke. On Monday you better watch out. Don’t come to work, and close your organization or you’re going to die.”
CD: You know, I got threats. And mine were recorded too. Not exactly threats on my life but… “You need to take that link off of your site to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion… And Alison Weir, you know, she’s a communist… she’s a communist, she’s funded by the Arabs, and you need to take that film off of your site.” And this was…
[4:40]
AW: Let me just comment on those threats. First of all, I’m not a communist. It’s interesting that they go to conservatives, uh, Americans, and claim that I’m a communist. They go to liberal Americans, and claim that I’m a Right-wing associate of the Klan. So they make opposite claims about me, both of which are false, to whatever they think will sound the most negative to that audience.
CD: Yeah. I was just talking with somebody that was supposed to be helping me with my website. Her name’s Angela. She was telling me about getting on Blog TV [?] and I did all that. And she said she wanted to help me, but only if I followed her advice, and then during this conversation her attitude changed abruptly and she called me a “hatemonger”! For what? Talking about Israel? For talking about the Israel’s [sic] treatment of the Palestinian
[5:43]
AW: Well, you know, the sad thing is that, the reality of what’s going on today and really has gone on for many, many years, for decades, is that the Israeli government and the Israeli forces have been committing just extremely violent, cruel actions. You know, when you read about these, when you learn about these… They are truly horrible, horrible actions to read about. And those of us that have the responsibility to give the facts to the American public on this issue, therefore have to relate these incidents and give this information to the public. And of course it’s very strong [unclear] information, and so people that want to defend Israel no matter what Israel does–Israel can commit the most despicable war crime, can do anything against Palestinian youngsters including Christian ones, can do anything really against anyone in the world with violence–and these people will defend it, and will claim that those of us giving the facts are the people that are doing something wrong, when all we are doing are being the messengers of very sad information. We didn’t create the information. You know, I wish it did not exist, and then I wouldn’t have to tell people about it. But it does exist, and if those who are calling us names don’t like the information that we’re relaying to people, they should go to Israel and say “Stop doing these things.” You know, it hurts our image, it hurts you, it’s wrong. Please stop doing it. That’s how they could…
[7:23]
CD: You know, they call me a hatemonger. I said, “I beg to differ.” I think Angela and her kind are the hatemongers, and many Jews agree with me. Uh, Dr. Henry Makow, listen to Benjamin Freedman, watch Aaron Russo on my website. And I tell people, I said [unclear] my son, understand that these charges of being anti-Semitic, a racist or anti-government are lies generated by the ADL, SPLC and CIA to cover their anti-American activities from exposure, by crippling true threat and, you know, a true threat and danger to their plan for global communistic One World Government. The one you’ll live in if people like you and I are successively silenced.
[8:07]
AW: Well, there is of course a strong effort to silence us, and the interesting thing is that we come from, [unclear] many of us, and you and I are two of them, come from, you know, diverse backgrounds, from diverse political backgrounds in fact, you know. People that are speaking out and giving factual information about Israel/Palestine and who are horrified at what our policies are doing to our own county, come… you know, many are conservatives, many are liberals, some are–you know–from the Libertarian Party, some are from the Green Party… We actually come from all over this diverse country of ours. We are all I feel dedicated to the principles of this country, to the wellbeing of our communities, of in my case our grandchildren, we want a safe nation, and we are horrified at these policies that I feel are… I feel they’re un-American, and I feel that they’re immoral, and they’re not even practical. They are hurting us immensely. So fortunately there are many of us that have wakened up to this. I finally woke up to this situation ten years ago. Before that, I really knew nothing about this. I had no idea of what was going on. And now I’ve learned about it. Now I write about it and I’m trying to tell others about it. I don’t, by the way, however, when I write about this or speak about it, I never say “the CIA” does this, I never say “the Jews” do this. What it is are specific individuals within these groups that are doing these things. There are CIA agents I feel who are trying to counter this effort…
[9:52]
CD: That’s not [unclear]…
AW: Who are trying to counter them…
CD: I would like to believe that. I have a hard time understanding why they are not sending our law enforcement, and people like the CIA aren’t a little bit more astute at targeting these people or at least investigating them.
AW: Well, they actually have often tried to investigate them. If you go to our website IfAmericansKnew, we’ve carried some excellent articles by people like Grant Smith of IRMEP, and books by people like Senator Fulbright from a number of years ago, his efforts to [unclear] on this, where they found that our Justice Department through the years actually did try to go after Israeli agents because they would, you know, they consistently violate US laws. So there were efforts to investigate them for spying, for leaking classified documents to other countries, to Israel and to China, and at some previous years during the Cold War to the Soviet Union. This is well documented. Our intelligence agencies and our Justice Department did try to investigate these activities, and what would happen is–you know, this is amazing, you know, I was shocked to learn this, but–they were canceled by people within the government who are loyal to Israel, and by people within the government who realized this is career-damaging to go after Israel and therefore they would prevent it from happening. So if you go back and read the public record, there have been efforts to investigate these. Just recently, there have been efforts to investigate the Israeli spies, just within the last year or two.
[11:47]
You know, anybody that’s questioning what I’m saying, and I–even to myself, I know this sounds extreme–but, you know, I just encourage people to investigate these things for ourselves. It’s important that we all ask these questions and look into these things, and you find these very disturbing facts. They’re [unclear]. They’re very available. Because of the internet, we can go to the documents where it’s being documented, and it’s very possible to learn the facts, but you do have to search for them. You have to ask the questions. You can’t wait for the mainstream press–either the liberal press or the conservative press–to cover them. Portions of both of those media do cover them at times. So you have to search it out. You just have to ask the questions and do your own research, and then you can discover what is going on.
[12:39]
CD: You know, I pointed out numerous times on my website and my radio show, that if somebody is a dual citizen, I mean, we… how can they even hold a position of authority or influence? I mean, they’ve got… especially in our Homeland Security and our FBI or our CIA, I mean, if they have dual citizenship, then that means that their loyalties are divided.
AW: It does. I think it’s very unwise. I think it’s very unwise to let somebody with dual citizenship to have a major role. It’s not to say, you know, there be somebody that’s a dual citizen, perhaps their primary loyalty is to the United States, I’m not saying it automatically is not, but we don’t know.
CD: We don’t know.
[13:36]
AW: I think it’s appropriate for anybody that’s going to have a significant role in the US government, and in all sorts of different departments, that they should be required to decide which is their primary loyalty, and to discard their other loyalty. I just think this is a wise course of action for any nation to take. And I’d like to disclose that I have a two-year-old grandson who will I expect grow up with dual citizenship with the United States and with France. My wonderful son-in-law is a French citizen. My, you know, little tiny grandson, will have the opportunity to have citizenship with both countries. You know, he will grow up mostly in the US, and, right now in fact, exclusively in the United States. So it’s not that I’m against people who have backgrounds or one parent that’s a citizenship of another country. I’m delighted that that’s the case with my own country. I think it will be a fascinating heritage for my grandson to have.
CD: Yes.
[14:44]
AW: Nevertheless, when someone steps into a role of power in the United States government, it should be clear where their loyalties lie. I that’s a wise important course of action for any nation to take, and I think that’s a course of action that our nation should take.
CD: You know, I… I’m thinking of…
AW: But certainly that’s been debated. Our citizenry should discuss this, and we should decide as a nation what we want. But instead these things are being done behind closed doors, and most Americans don’t even know they’re going on.
[15:17]
CD: I’m thinking about, uh… I’ve got links for Benjamin Freedman. Now, Benjamin Freedman is introduced as a former Jew, who gave a lecture at the Willard Hotel in 1963 [sic]. Basically, he explained how World War… How the Zionists, which is only a faction of the Jews, you know… I mean, Alison, I’ve been attacked, and I’ve been talking to, you know, supposed Christians, supposed Christians in Christian Identity, because I thought Christian Identity wasn’t getting a fair shake in Homeland Security, they were trying to put ‘em down, but… They were as evil as the Jews they were pointing the finger at. They wanted to go out and kill everybody else, you know…
[16:17]
…and I think of Benjamin Freedman talking about the Zionists and how they organized the war. They declared war against the Germans, and they got the French fighting the Germans, the Germans fighting the Russians, and then threw Americans in the mix, so they had all of us Christians fighting each other, and now they are pushing us to fight another large religious population, the Muslims, and you know they tried to equate that with the… They used the Palestinians to do that, and they play the Muslims against us, don’t they?
[17:02]
AW: It is a horrifying situation. For any listeners who are skeptical of what appear to be, quote, conspiracy theorists, this may sound unlikely; perhaps you haven’t heard this kind of discussion before–and, by the way I’m somebody who’s very skeptical of information until I check it out for myself. I think most of us should be more skeptical than we are–not just of, quote, conspiracy theorists, but of mainstream reports as well. I don’t think that we should automatically believe the mainstream press, and I don’t think we should automatically believe alternative theories either. I think we should look into them. But I completely agree with you: I think Benjamin Freedman’s speech and other writings that I have come across are extremely interesting. I know very little about this man–I’ve started to try to research more about him to learn more about him–but everything that I research about him is extremely interesting. I think his writings seem legitimate, they seem quite important, and they tell things that my other research is validating. For example, you know, I was–I remember studying US history. I just got back from going to my high school reunion, and it’s made me think about high school quite a bit, and, first of all, I had this very good US history teacher in high school, but there are a number of things of course in US history that you’re not taught, partly because, you know, you can only teach so much in a one year course. But I think other things went on in terms of what things were filtered out of the curriculum.
[18:45]
And certainly I had never been aware, until I started to study Israel/Palestine for myself, the significant role that Zionists played in pushing the US into World War One. Now, I don’t know–I haven’t done enough research to know for sure, whether the Zionist role in pushing us into World War One was decisive or whether it was just one factor among many, but I do know that I never before was aware that it was even was a factor, and there is no doubt that it was a factor of some significance, so why don’t we know this? Why don’t we know that the Zionists themselves bragged about it, that Lloyd George, the leader, the British leader, later said “They made us promises and they kept those promises,” you know why don’t we know that fact? It’s an important fact to know, that was a tragic war, in which Americans and others, mainly British and Europeans, lost lives, lost limbs, lost their minds in some cases, over a pointless, needless war. I think it’s very important that Americans know all the factors that led us to enter that war, so that we avoid these pointless, needless, tragic wars in the future. Especially now, when we’ve just been pushed into a war with Iraq, that is pointless and tragic. And that there are these same groups trying to push us into a war with Iran, which would also be pointless and tragic. We need to know these facts and we are not getting them very often. We’re only rarely getting them from the mainstream media.
[20:26]
CD: And the mainstream media is–the Jews even brag about controlling the mainstream media, controlling Hollywood. They brag about it. This isn’t me saying the Jews do it, this isn’t a conspiracy theory, this is people that are heads of studios, Klein, people like… reporters… Jewish reporters are saying, “Yeah, we control Hollywood. We control the media. We own ABC. We own Walt Disney. We own them.” And that’s why the Palestinians are always pointed out to be bad guys. But let me ask you this. Now, your concentration and your focus has been on the treatment of the Palestinians. Isn’t that pretty accurate? That’s where you got your start right?
[21:17]
AW: That’s right, the Israeli/Palestinian issue, which of course to a degree includes Lebanese as well, since they’ve been slaughtered twice by Israeli forces. But, yes, it’s mainly the Israeli/Palestinian issue is what I have focused on, what I started to learn about nine years ago. So that’s my major focus.
CD: We hear a lot about how Jews were treated in Germany, but the central bank that I consider to be the major problem throughout the world, the money power behind the whole New World Order, or as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion referred to it, as “our terrible power of the purse.” That came from Germany! The Rothschilds came from Germany and then they turned on the German people–they declared war against the German people in World War Two, after they got tired of [inaudible] ripped off by the Versailles Treaty for years–all of their income–and then the Jews put a full page ad in the New York Times declaring–
[22:38]
AW: Let me just correct you. Don’t say “The Jews”. It may sound to people that you are saying every Jewish-American did this, which, as you’ve just said is not true.
CD: No it’s not true. But I’ve been considering just calling them Morlocks, how’s that?
AW: Call them what?
CD: Morlocks. It’s the Morlocks that are behind this all. Don’t make that a bad word like McCarthyism. But they have used the Jews the same way that they’ve used the Judeo-Christians across America. They’ve fed you false information, they’ve given you the Scofield Bible with all the notes in it, they focused your thinking. They don’t call it television programming for nothing. The point I’m trying to make here is that the Rothschild family that grew up in Germany turned on Germany.
[23:40]
The banks that financed the Russian Revolution, they set Russia against Germany, and they drove the Jews out of the Soviet Union and sent them to Palestine. They drove the Jews out of Germany–they couldn’t immigrate to the United States. They had to immigrate to Palestine. So this whole–
[24:11]
AW: Actually, they could immigrate to the US to a degree. What happened is that, when there was the rise of the Nazis, there was targeting of a number of populations within Germany, the Jewish population especially. So there were groups around the country that were trying to help provide places of refuge for people that were being targeted, including of course and especially Jewish-Germans who were being targeted, and Jews throughout Europe. So there were efforts to create refuges in the United States and elsewhere, under FDR, again this is well documented. The people who actively worked to sabotage those efforts were the Zionist leadership, that were so fanatically devoted to creating the Jewish state in Palestine that they wanted there to no place else that would be safe for Jews. So since there would have been, since there were people trying to… were creating many safe places for them, they were sabotaging those efforts so that they could claim to the world, “Listen, we have to create a Jewish state in Palestine so that there’s a safe place for Jewish men, women, and children to live.” And most of the world’s people are decent people and they do want to help children of every type, and people of need of every type, so this was part of the strategy that the Zionists were using before and during World War Two.
[25:48]
CD: Isn’t what’s happening right now in the United States–I think this is totally related to what’s going on in Israel, to the issues with the Palestinians. The Palestinians have all been turned into terrorists, and they’re trying to say at Homeland Security, which is controlled by dual citizens–Morlocks, if you will–that the American patriots, people like you and I, the Tea Parties, even the Oath Keepers, are being demonized sort of like the Jews were in Germany. They tried to call them communists, didn’t they? They said these are all communists. And they were. I mean Marx and Lenin were Jewish, so communism certainly has a role in there. And that’s been another word that you can’t use in America. If you call somebody a communist, there’s an insinuation that communists are doing something against the United States. Well then, you’re a McCarthyism [sic].
[27:07]
AW: Well, there’s so much that… Labels that are… The problem with labels of course is often that they mean different things to different people. So “communist” to some people means an ideology that sounded benign, that sounded in some ways like Christianity. Jesus preached that we should do unto others as we would like them to do unto us, that we should share our worldly goods with others, with those in need, etcetera. Let’s think what Jesus did teach us, how we should treat our fellow human beings. So to some people, communist means a very benign philosophy where you’re helping other people, you’re sharing your worldly goods, etcetera. That’s what it means to some people. To other people, it means what Stalin implemented and Lenin before him and what we saw under Mao, which was extreme cruelty, despotism in which people have no freedom, in which worldly goods certainly were not shared–even close to it. Party leaders had a very disproportionate amount of them and the rest of the people didn’t. There were purges in which people were killed; people that dissented were sent, in the case of the Soviet Union, to Siberia to gulags that were horrific institutions.
[28:29]
So again, if you say “communist,” to two people, if you had one of those little balloons over their heads like in cartoons, you would have very different images to different people, and that’s the problem. If you say “Zionist” to you and to me, we know that represents a thematic political ideology. Other people, it would be a question mark, “What does that even mean?” Some people would think, “Oh that means a synonym for all Jews,” which is incorrect. So again, labels–it’s usually better–I don’t like to use labels anymore because so often people either don’t know what it means or they think it means something different than the use you’re using for it. And that’s what’s gone on here. I think it is, as you’re emphasizing, it’s very important for people to look into the background of these different movements, of these different events that have happened to previous decades, including World War Two, including World War One. It’s very important that we look into these things.
[29:30]
CD: They’ve given us a false scale, Allison. And part of the way they do that is changing the meaning of words. I didn’t create the name Jew, it’s not a negative. They use it themselves. They say, “I’m Jewish. I’m a Jew.” And Bernanke is a Jew and Boxer is a Jew and Feinstein is Jew. They use that themselves, but when we–
[30:05]
AW: They do.
CD: So, what, we’re being racist here, we’re being anti-Semitic? I mean, that’s changing the language. And they have given us [unclear]… They’re trying to say there is communism on the Left, fascism on the Right, you know…
AW: Divide us against… Divide decent people against one another. I think that decent people can have different approaches to life. We draw from different information, etcetera. I think if more of us had the chance to meet and just talk to each other, and decide what course we want our nation to take, we would find much more common ground. But instead of having the opportunity to do that, you know, we are seeing each other through the media. And the media consistently emphasize the differences. They consistently report things in an adversarial fashion. You know, it’s the “Well, here’s one side,” and they give the view of that side… It’s often false.
[31:11]
CD: That’s the reason, Alison, that’s the reason I started the Free American in the first place… I watched what the television reported happened at Waco. Now they murdered 17 little children–to save them from a child molester?! And the media, the media covered it that way. I was outraged about it, and I started the Free American and I started the militias around the country. And nothing’s changed. They are still trying to demonize us. And that was a Christian church that they went after. You mentioned that… We’re talking about the Palestinians here. The Palestinians aren’t Arabs; there’s a lot of them that are Christians, too, aren’t they?
[32:05]
AW: Well, Arab is just like saying Europeans, it doesn’t denote a religion. So yes, many Arabs are Christians, many Arabs are Muslims, some Arabs are Jews. You know, these are all different… these are all religions and/or cultures, and Arab is a culture and a region, it’s not a religion. So, yes, as we know, Christianity began in Palestine, so many Palestinians are Christians. And plus the Apostles of course went throughout the region, so there are Christian communities throughout the region. Many Arabs that I meet are Christians. Their ancestors were Christians before many of our ancestors were Christians. I have talked to Arabs who have told me family stories about having their ancient ancestors being converted to Christianity by the Apostles. I talked to one Christian from Nazareth. Her family had handed down stories of being, becoming Christians hearing the words of Jesus of Nazareth. So again, this is very important, and many Americans are being mislead on this and don’t know this is the case.
CD: That’s right.
[33:25]
AW: Because so often the Israeli-centric media don’t tell it. You know, this is being left out of the news reports. It should be a part of them.
CD: Now, this would seem to mean to me that maybe this is even broader than the issue with the Palestinians. Because of what’s happening here in the United States, because of the way patriots are being demonized, and–let me just play a quick clip here from somebody that’s in the same position, pretty much, as you and I, as far as being demonized by the media. And this is in line with what I’m talking about–there’s a war on Christianity.
[34:20]
[Intro music from clip]
David Duke recording: Why is it that a giant Jewish menorah can be erected in the White House, while Christian Christmas symbols are banned? Hello, I’m David Duke, and I’m here to tell you what other political leaders in America and Europe won’t dare tell you. Historically, when one nation conquers another, the conqueror tears down the symbols of the conquered people, and puts up his own. America is an overwhelmingly Christian nation, yet we are now forbidden by law to put Christian Christmas symbols on public property. Jews are less than two per cent of our population, are permitted to put up their religious symbol, the menorah, across North and South America, Europe, and even Australia and New Zealand. How does two per cent of a population get their way over the 98 per cent non-Jewish population? It is because they are far more than two per cent of the power structure. The three elements of real power in America, and the Western World, are: one, the mass media; two, international finance and banking; and three, politics. The first two, the owners of the mass media and the owners of the largest international banks, are unelected, responsible only to themselves, but they both have tremendous influence on politics. First…
[36:04]
CD: [unintelligible interjection over the clip]
David Duke recording: Here’s a quote from the Los Angeles Jewish Times, on the conglomerates, which overwhelmingly control the mass media. Quote: “Four of the largest entertainment giants are now run or owned by Jews. Rupert Murdoch’s NewsCorp is the only gentile holdout. However, Rupert is as pro-Israel as any Jew, probably more so.”
[end of clip]
[36:33]
CD: Now that’s from the Jewish Times, 1999, that’s not anybody calling anybody names or lumping anybody in a group. This is what their news media is telling us.
AW: So the voice was reading something that was in the Jewish Times in 1999?
CD: Yes ma’am.
AW: Whose voice was that?
CD: Doctor David Duke’s.
AW: Oh.
CD: Another man that’s been demonized the same way McCarthy was, the same way that I’ve been–“You’re, you’re anti-Semitic”–the same way you have.
AW: Do you… I’m interested in that selection. Do you have the specific date of which issue of the Jewish Times that was?
CD: Yes ma’am, October 29, 1999. And that clip, that film clip, is up there on my web site, right under the banner and above the radio show. On my website.
[37:41]
AW: Okay, that’s… I will look up that reference, that’s pretty strong, so I’ll look that up. I do know, I know that now when I focus on, you know, when I am trying to get the latest news on Israel/Palestine, I largely find that the places that report on it the most, and therefore I try to read as often as I have time for, is the Palestinian press, which is quite good; the Israeli press, that tells a great deal and often has excellent journalists as well; and the Jewish press, it’s very important to read, whenever I have the time to read that press as well, The Forward, JTA, Ynet, you know, different Jewish newspapers around the country, are very important and very valuable to read. And most of us who are not Jewish don’t read them, naturally. But I’ve started to read those in recent years, and find them often a good source of facts that I would not otherwise have known. So I will look at the October 29, 1999 issue of Jewish Times. Hopefully I can find that on its own website or on hard copy or something in some library. I’ll look up that reference. It seems like an important one.
[39:00]
CD: Yes ma’am. What is happening in American today, with the demonization of the Tea Parties and all that, you know… And David Duke’s pointed out about the menorahs being up. You can put it on the White House lawn but we can’t have a Christmas tree on the White House lawn anymore?
AW: I don’t know–is that true? I can’t… You know, sometimes we all hear things and we pass them on, and sometimes the things that we hear and pass on are true, and sometimes it turns out to be one of these urban myths that many of us have believed and told others and then it turns out somebody looks into it and it’s not true. So I personally don’t know for sure if it is the case, that a menorah can be on the White House lawn, but a Christmas tree cannot. That’s something I want to look into and find out if it is true. If it is true, certainly that would be very troubling and hypocritical, and make no sense to me.
[40:04]
So I think that is something that I will also investigate and find out if that’s the case, because that would be bizarre. You know, the truth of the matter is that the majority of Americans–as I understand it, I have looked at some of this before–I don’t have the specific statistics, which shows that I need to look into it again, but its my assumption that a large majority of Americans do come from Christian backgrounds, both Protestant and Catholic and Greek Orthodox, etcetera. You know, the vast majority of Americans, it’s my assumption, are Christians of one sort or another, certainly from Christian backgrounds. So certainly I believe that the majority population should be represented.
You know, if I moved to a country that was largely Muslim or largely Jewish, I wouldn’t feel, “Well, my..,” I should suddenly take over and change that country, I would have to fit in and play a role. I think minorities should be respected, I think all people should be respected, but I do think the majority of a population of a country should be paid attention to. That’s democracy–in an election the majority wins the vote. So I would find it bizarre if a population that is somewhere around two and three per cent of our population can do things that the majority population cannot do. To be that would be a bizarre situation, and its something we should look into.
[41:45]
CD: Do you feel that there’s a danger about what’s happening to the Palestinians right now happening to Americans? Is that a possibility? I mean, what happened in Russia after the Bolshevik Revolution–Communism–they murdered 60 million white Christian Russians…
AW: Yeah, I think the number of Russians that were killed and imprisoned has been very unknown to most of us. You know, I am one of those. I have just looked into this occasionally, peripherally, because you stumble across this when you start to look into the history of Israel and the history of Zionism, you stumble across these other episodes of significance that were similarly covered up. I think it’s significant that, I’m trying to think of, there’s a Russian writer…
[42:46]
CD: Alexander Solzhenitsyn.
AW: That’s right, Solzhenitsyn.
CD: Gulag Archipelago. And he points out that the people that ran the concentration camps, the detention centers or whatever you want to call them, in Russia, most of them were Jewish, most of them. And he also says that the Russian people referred to Communism as “Judaism for the Masses.”
[43:17]
AW: Well the thing about Solzhenitsyn that’s interesting is that he was a Nobel Prize winner, you know, very, very significant literary figure. He was… I remember when I was in high school back in the 1960s, and before, we were often assigned his books. There was one book in particular that I think probably many of us were assigned to read. So he was considered a major writer, and is a major literary figure. And yet, his later books, in which he does get into the topics that you just described, were not translated into English. They are in other languages, they are probably significant books to read, but most of us cannot read them because we don’t read Russian or perhaps French–I think they may have been translated–I don’t know what language they are available in–but I certainly don’t read Russian. So I’ve been able to read excerpts from them, and articles about them, largely in the Jewish press which is where I’ve read about them. You know, of significant information about what he covered in those books, and yet most Americans don’t even know that these books exist by this major figure, because they’ve been so little discussed in the American media, and because none of our publishing companies have published them in this country.
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You know, what’s going on here? Why don’t we know about Solzhenitsyn’s important books? Why is he–after having been considered a major literary figure that we studied in high school–why is he now being, I feel–and this is a strong statement–once again we are seeing a person of significance being slowly erased from history in the United States? This has been done before. It was done against an American journalist of wonderful credentials and talent and ability, Grace Halsell, she was slowly erased from history. It was done against another, a woman that the Britannica Encyclopedia [sic] called “One of the most important female journalists of the 20th Century,” Dorothy Thompson–erased from history. I really urge your listeners to look into Dorothy Thompson, to look into Grace Halsell, to look into Solzhenitsyn. We need to stop this process from occurring.
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CD: How do we do that, Alison? If the media is controlled… I went through a campaign, a presidential campaign in the Republican Party. I was rubbing elbows with Pat Buchanan, Bob Dole, Alan Keyes; I was working with Charles Collins. And every time Charles got up to tell the Republican Party that we could bypass the Federal Reserve, wipe out a six trillion dollar debt, which has now doubled in ten years… Every cameraman on stage turned the cameras off and pointed the cameras at the ground. So how do we change anything by voting, if the media doesn’t tell us who’s running?
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AW: [Laughs] That’s a good question. Because the thing that’s going on here, as you and I know–I more recently than you–is that, I mean, people know this, but it takes a while to absorb the meaning. Everything that we think we know about many issues–except for local issues perhaps–comes from the media. Very few of us have traveled to the Middle East. I did that a few years ago and now have done that… Now my knowledge of that area comes from outside the mainstream media. But all of our knowledge–many times about each other–liberals learn about the Tea Party: from the media. Tea Partiers learn about the liberals: from the media. We all learn about the federal government to a large degree, from, quote, the media. And yet, as many of us understand, but have not maybe significantly absorbed, that means that it’s being filtered through an institution that I now feel is highly flawed, where important information is being filtered. We’re not getting the full story on many of these important issues. So what do we do about that?
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Well, what we do is what you and I are doing this morning. We create and we become involved in alternative media. We research it ourselves; we use the internet. We have… There are alternative radio stations that are on the airwaves–not very many of them, but those exist–there are public access stations in our communities. We can put programs on there; we need to do that. We need to learn about one another and contact one another directly. When we learn important facts, we need to share them with others. We need to be careful, that we investigate information for ourselves, that we do not pass on fraudulent information. But these are all things we can do, and many of us are doing them. I think it’s essential that we do this more and more. That more of us step up when we say, “They should do that.” That probably means we have to do it, because there aren’t enough of us that are doing this now, and more of us need to step up to the plate and start doing this as well. And that is happening, fortunately, more and more of us are learning about these things, we’re researching them, we’re meeting one another–I’ve never met you in person, but now I’ve talked to you on these radio programs several times. I learn from it every time. When you tell me things that I had not known before, I then try and go look into them. So, these are big issues. You’re looking into wider issues than I am focusing on. So the issues that I focus on, it’s very possible to know your larger issues should be investigated as well. And more of us are doing that. I think more of us are learning that we each have important things that we’re discovering that we need to share with one another.
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CD: I agree with that. I agree with that and the information that you put out is very valuable. I mean, that’s why I have links to your website on mine. Now, are you married Alison?
AW: No I’m not, I’m divorced.
CD: Divorced. You know, I found that in this battle, it was very difficult to stay married to somebody. I mean, my ex-wife was put under such tremendous pressure when they tried to kill me, that she just couldn’t handle it. And…
AW: That’s [unclear] sad to hear.
CW: I’m sorry, what?
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AW: I just wanted to say that’s very sad to hear that. It’s a sad thing… Fortunately, that did not happen to me. This was a divorce of many years ago and not connected to this, but I know… I expect and do know it takes a real toll on friendships and on relationships. It’s an intense subject to get into, and not everybody really can sustain that. I’m sorry, go ahead.
CD: Now, the…
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CD: … protesting the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. My question was: why weren’t the Tea Parties over there protesting with them? Why were these two groups be divided at all? The war in Iraq, the war in Afghanistan… The war in Afghanistan is about wealth. They’ve also discovered not only does Afghanistan have opium poppies, they’ve also got gold and silver and all kinds of metals in those mountain ranges over there… billions of dollars worth of wealth that we will be taking away from the Afghan people. So why, if you’re conservative, you’ve got to be for a pointless war?
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AW: Yeah, I think there is a great deal of divide and conquer going on, and as you’re pointing out, often conservatives were labeled, quote, isolationists. You know, that was considered a very negative term. Another way of thinking about that, though, is anti-interventionism, which means you don’t go around this whole huge world, trying to tell other people what to do. We have a hard enough time doing what we need to do in our own country. Resources are limited, we’re seeing many people out of jobs, many businesses going under, we’re seeing our veterans not even being served, getting insufficient, in many cases, medical care. So there is a great deal of need here. The idea of not going around intervening everywhere else can and often is a very valid one. Those–when it was being done by conservatives–was called isolationism, and given a very negative spin to it.
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And yet, often, even… I’ve just been recently reading about the lead up to World War Two. There were actually many people that, especially because of the experience of World War One, were opposed to getting involved in another European war. [Unclear] were not only conservatives, actually it turns out many of them were, quote, liberals. FDR of course was very early to have the US enter that way, perhaps for very good reasons. But he was very eager for the US to enter World War Two, and he did a number of things to make that happen. However, if you look at the structure of the country before that, both many conservatives and many liberals were all against entering another European war. They saw the tragedy it had been for the soldiers that were involved, they saw that it had been a pointless war, and many people were opposed to that happening again. So again, it’s this divide and conquer. And when we talk about “the media,” again, there are individuals–many individuals within the media–there are journalists, writers, reporters, camera people, etcetera–that are excellent people, trying to do a good job, many of them doing a good job. But if you look at the over all structure of the system that is going on, what’s coming out, there is… The sad reality is that, they’re not doing a good job. The media overall are not doing a good job, especially in their coverage of Israel/Palestine. That’s what I’ve studied, that’s what I focused on. That’s the reality.
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CD: You know, I’ve been to New York City many, many times, and I’ve walked down a neighborhood in Brooklyn, and there were Jewish shop owners, or Muslim shop owners, and there were Christian shop owners, and they all got along, they all got along just right, just, well anyway… I mean, they may not have gone to the same restaurants to eat, or didn’t drink in the same bars, but they were in the streets of New York together. Why couldn’t that be done in Israel? I simply can’t understand why that wouldn’t work, what is wrong with giving the Palestinians equal access to Jerusalem, to the facilities there, why put a fence around them?
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AW: Yeah, that’s right, why imprison them? And I think… that’s what’s important for many people to know who don’t know it, think what it’s like to be in a prison. To be in… basically, Gaza, it’s a huge prison. One and a half million men, women, and children in this prison. And the West Bank is also very much a prison. It’s more porous, it’s a little more possible to get from one prison to another, but basically they are small prisons in the West Bank as well. And yet as you’ve said, before Zionism, before political Zionism, Jews, Christians and Muslims lived in Palestine for centuries, without armed conflict, without conflict, all practicing their religions. Christians and Jews lived throughout Iraq, Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Morocco… They lived throughout what’s… Jewish, Christian and Muslim human beings all living, without wiping one another out… So what we are seeing here is the result of a political, a very fanatic political ideology, that divided people against one another, that was a type of colonialism, and the violence that we’ve now seen for decades.
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CD: You know, the next article I come out with that you’ll be getting, is about the whole Christian Identity movement. Nothing wrong with the Christian Identity movement as a sect–I can buy into the fact that some of my relatives might have crossed the Caucus Mountains, tried to escape from slavery in the Middle East and became called Caucasians. I can buy into that. But when you get all these people that say, “Well, we need to kill all the blacks, we need to kill all the Jews”–no, no, that’s… how do you fight evil, how do you fight evil, if you become as evil as the people that you’re opposing? And that’s what’s happened in this so-called Patriot movement, in the Christian Identity movement, and I told them flat out, I said, “Man you’d better hope we don’t get into a war, because if we do, you know, you’re the first one I’m gonna shoot.”
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AW: [laughs] It’s, uh… [laughs] That would maybe make them think twice. Yeah, I think becoming what you’re opposing is what often happens and is deeply wrong. You know, I think what we’re… This kind of break down, instead of being, “We’re all human beings, we’re all…,” those of us born in the United States who are all American citizens… You know, I think there are other human beings deserving of security, of dignity, etcetera, is what we’re about. And what we’re opposing is when that does not happen. When Israel treats Christians and Muslims differently than they treat Jewish Israelis. That’s what we’re opposing and I think it’s very important to uphold the principles that motivated, I feel, that motivated the founders of the United States. Those are the founding principles of this country, and those are the ones that we need to continue to promote, to make sure that we don’t lose those principles. That’s what…
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CD: Give out your website again, Alison, and, listen, since you’re in California, you should get over here sometime to Tucson and, uh, let’s talk. Let’s talk some more.
AW: The website is If Americans Knew, I hope people will go to our website and please, please tell other people about it. If Americans Knew dot org. If Americans Knew dot org.
CD: Alright dear, thank you very much for being on my show.
AW: Thanks very much, take care.
CD: God bless, bye bye.
AW: Bye.
