Monday, May 30, 2011

646 Special report: Any given Sunday! PART 4—WHO IS SISSELA BOK (permalink): Last Sunday, Paul Farhi’s piece on the public schools was the best Outlook had to offer.


His piece dealt with an important subject. It tended to challenge a stultified piece of highly scripted conventional wisdom. In a real journalistic culture, this is the sort of report you’d expect to find in Outlook, the high-profile Sunday “ideas” section of our most famous political newspaper.
Even there, Farhi semi-bungled his effort, in a very standard way, as we described yesterday (see THE DAILY HOWLER, 5/26/11). Outlook’s editors were too conventionally clueless to push him back on the track. Meanwhile, the rest of the section was littered with piffle, as we’ve described all week.
That said, we’ve saved the worst for last. Out on page one, Outlook published a book review which was a near atrocity—a piece which embodied this country’s political/journalistic/academic breakdown of the past twenty-five years.
The review was written by Sissela Bok. But who the heck is that?
Sissela Bok has been famous for lying since 1978. Rather, Bok has been famous for writing a book of that name. Lying: Moral Choice in Public and Private Life first appeared in the aforementioned year—and it may even have a few merits. According to a NewsweekNewsweek said Bok was especially sharp on “the lawyer's duty to the court when he knows his client is lying” and on “the question of deceptive social-science experiments.” According to Newsweek, “her freshest observations are on lying to sick and dying medical patients.” review, “three of Bok's chapters are especially astringent” (the book had sixteen chapters in all).
From that day to this, Bok has been famous for her high-minded critiques of lying. She has been a go-to person for high-end news orgs when issues of lying arise. For that reason, Bok was featured on the front page on Sunday’s Outlook section. She had been asked to review James B. Stewart’s new book on the way an alleged epidemic perjury has, in Stewart’s words, “infected nearly every aspect of society.”
Bok was booked as an expert on lying. But one more thing should be said at this point: Very clearly, Bok is part of world academic royalty. This status makes her work in Outlook especially revelatory.
Who is Sissela Bok? As Wikipedia accurately notes, she is “the [Swedish-born] daughter of two Nobel Prize winners: Gunnar Myrdal, who won the Economics prize with Friedrich Hayek in 1974, and Alva Myrdal, who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1982.” But Bok isn’t just an academic royal by birth; in this country, she is also an academic royal by marriage.
Bok received her doctorate in philosophy from Harvard in 1970. For well over fifty years, she has been married to Derek Bok, who served as dean of the Harvard Law School from 1968-71, then as president of the university until 1971. As for Sissela Bok herself, she is currently a Senior Visiting Fellow at the Harvard School of Public Health. Before that, was a philosophy professor at Brandeis.
For what it’s worth, Derek Bok comes from high stock too. Just click here.
Let’s state the obvious: There’s nothing “wrong” with any part of Sissela Bok’s background, or with her long marriage. But she sits at the very top of American and world academic culture. As such, she represents a high academic class which has increasingly ducked the real fights of the world—a high class which has refused to serve this society over the past thirty years.
High-minded pap about truth to the side, Bok’s moral absence was on display in Sunday’s Outlook section.
As noted, Bok was reviewing a book about perjury, a book written by James Stewart. She showed no sign of understanding the irony of this assignment—the irony involved in Stewart’s choice of topic. By way of contrast, Digby knows all about it. In recent weeks, she has written two separate posts noting the irony of Stewart writing on truth. (For the second post, with a link to the first, go ahead—just click here.)
Digby saw the context; Bok didn’t. True to the ways of her high useless class, the royal seemed utterly clueless in her review of Stewart’s new work. Eventually, she noted the latest world-class mistake committed by the comically awful author. But just as a person would expect, she seemed unaware of the gruesome history involved here.
Go ahead—emit low chuckles! Once again, Stewart has authored a comically awful howler, in his book’s opening sentence:
BOK (5/22/11): Despite the voluminous documentation Stewart provides, a cautionary note is needed. The book's very first sentence makes an erroneous claim of vast proportions: "We know how many murders are committed [in the United States] each year—1,318,398 in 2009." No source is given for this figure, almost 100 times larger than the number of murders actually reported that year. It turns out to refer, rather, to the totality of violent crimes reported in the United States, according to the FBI Uniform Crime Report.
Stewart contrasts the specific number of murders with the absence of statistics for perjury and false statements. "There is simply too much of it, and too little is prosecuted to generate any meaningful statistics," he writes. To be sure, there is always too much perjury. And, as Stewart points out, it is an exceptionally difficult crime to detect, prosecute and prove. But in the absence of meaningful statistics, what evidence is there for thinking that our present predicament is more serious than in the past, so serious that it now threatens to undermine America? Or for Stewart's claim, in his conclusion, that "we appear to be on the brink of becoming a society where perjury is the norm"?
In that second paragraph, Bok leaves Stewart’s basic premise for dead. (No real surprise there!) But in that first paragraph, Bok describes Stewart’s latest astonishing howler, an “erroneous claim of vast proportions”—a comical error which happens to come in his book’s very first sentence. Even there, it doesn’t occur to our lofty royal that something might be rotten in Stewart’s overall work. After all, Stewart is a bit of a journalistic royal—long ago, he won a Pulitzer Prize—and Bok was apparently off the planet during the years which Digby remembers. Since royals always bow to royals today, the great lady overlooks Stewart’s broken premise and his clownish opening sentence. In these, her opening paragraphs, she bows and scrapes to his obvious greatness, ignoring those warning signs:
BOK: In his provocative and hard-hitting new book, James B. Stewart warns of the risks from an epidemic of perjury that has "infected nearly every aspect of society." Citing prosecutors who speak of a recent surge of concerted, deliberate lying by sophisticated, educated, affluent individuals, often represented by the best lawyers, he focuses on four cases involving well-known people at the pinnacle of their fields…
As in earlier books such as "Blood Sport" and "Den of Thieves," Stewart offers riveting accounts of the unfolding of each drama. He brings to bear his superb skills as an investigative reporter, interviewing the main participants in the four cases, and acquiring previously secret grand jury transcripts and notes by FBI agents and other investigators through Freedom of Information Act requests.
Stewart’s basic premise can’t be supported—and his very first sentence advanced an “erroneous claim of vast proportions!” But so what? Stewart is a High Gotham royal! So Bok ignores his clownish ineptitude, deciding to type the requisite words about “his superb skills as an investigative reporter.”
In such ways, academic royals have told the world that it can go hang over the past thirty years.
What irony might Bok have noticed in Stewart’s latest project? She might have recalled an earlier “erroneous claim of vast proportions,” back when he wrote a bungled book which helped change our politics in a very destructive way. That book, of course, was Blood Sport, a book which helped advance the claim that President Clinton and Hillary ClintonBlood Sport, a book Bok praises? Last month, Digby offered this passage from Gene Lyons and Joe Conason’s The Hunting of the President: were a pair of low-station crooks. How bad was
LYONS/CONASON (2000): Still other celebrated journalists continued to predict the first lady's probable indictment as the election year began, most notably Pulitzer Prize winning author James B. Stewart. Published by Simon and Shuster in 1996 to the accompaniment of a multimedia publicity campaign, Stewart's book Blood Sport claims to be the inside story of "the president and first lady as they really are.” Set forth as a sweeping narrative, it includes dramatized scenes and imaginary dialog purporting to represent the innermost thoughts of individuals whom the author had in some cases never met, much less interviewed.
"Scenes that Mr. Stewart could never have observed first hand," complained New York Times reviewer Michiko Kakutani, "are recounted from an omniscient viewpoint. Mr. Stewart rarely identifies the sources for such scenes not does he take into account the subjectivity and often self-serving nature of memory. The reader never knows whether the quotes Mr. Stewart puts into the mouth of an individual...are from a first or second hand source.”
Lyons simply savaged Blood Sport in Fools for Scandal: How the Media Invented Whitewater (1996); we couldn’t hope to retell the whole story here. But given Bok’s mention of Stewart’s latest comically awful mistake, let’s review the giant groaner which emerged from his publicity tour for that influential book.
It’s had to be less competent than Stewart, though Bok doesn’t seem to have heard. At the end of his savage treatment of Blood Sport, Lyons set the scene for the giant howler to which Stewart gave birth at that time:
LYONS (1996): But then came Stewart’s big book tour. For a while, you couldn’t turn on a TV talk show without seeing Mr. Pulitzer Prize. Nightline, Washington Week in Review, Charlie Rose, National Public Radio—the man was everywhere. And just about everywhere he went, Stewart made the same pitch. Blood Sport uncovered no big crimes in Whitewater, just a lot of deceit, bad character, and political opportunism. But surely, Ted Koppel urged during Stewart’s March 11, 1996 Nightline appearance, there was something. “What is it you would say,” Koppel asked, “if you were obliged, in fifteen or thirty seconds, to summarize what is troublesome about Whitewater and what will come back to haunt the Clintons?”
We strongly recommend Lyons’ complete, scathing treatment of this matter in Fools for Scandal. But that summer, in Harper’s, he gave a shorter account of what Stewart told Koppel that night. In this passage, Lyons explained Stewart’s previous giant error—part of the long war which eventually sent Bush to the White House:
LYONS (7/96): My favorite Blood Sport blunder happened during the publicity tour. Asked by Ted Koppel on Nightline what was the worst thing he'd found in Whitewater, Stewart replied gravely. "It is a crime to submit a false financial document," he said. He accused Hillary Rodham Clinton of filing a false financial statement to renew a Whitewater loan in 1987. He added that the First Lady's guilt was "a question for a prosecutor and a jury to decide."
The insinuation was as smug and false as the book, and as easily disproved. Joe Conason at the New York Observer noticed something at the bottom of the document, reproduced in Blood Sport. It was this little notice: "BOTH SIDES OF THIS STATEMENT MUST BE COMPLETED." So Conason got a copy of the original statement. Guess what? All the stuff Stewart accused Hillary of fudging was right there. Mr. Pulitzer Prize had neglected to check the second page.
Sic semper upper-class pseudo-journalists. In his latest thriller, Stewart makes a equally cosmic blunder “in his very first sentence.” This time, he massively misrepresents a statistic. Back then, he failed to check both sides of a crucial document, while accusing the president and first lady of probable crimes.
Trust us: Bok’s royal class doesn’t know about that. As royals, they sat out the war against Clinton, then the war against Gore. At Harvard, they sat inside their own president’s quarters and shut the loud noise of the world away. Precisely for that reason, Bok is still called upon by upper-end news orgs when matters of lying arise.
They know this academic royal is safe—that she is one of their upper-end kind.
Sissela Bok sat out the Clinton-Gore years. During that ugly political decade, her royal class threw the world down the stairs. Almost surely, she doesn’t know the history of Stewart’s earlier book, the one she thinks is so superb. Almost surely, she has never heard about Stewart’s earlier clownish errors.
It isn’t that no one discussed that work. Stewart’s gruesome work in Blood Sport was discussed in a few high places aside from Harper’s. Anthony Lewis did so in the New York Times, as did Martin Walker in the Atlantic (see below). But Sissela Bok is an academic royal of the highest global station. As we’ve long told you, pseudo-academics like Bok have sat out the past few decades. In this way, they have helped the forces of power stifle American lives.
Bok doesn’t seem to know about Fool for Scandal, which appeared in 1996. What was she doing that very year? For a taste of the sheer inanity which passes for high academic culture, we’ll show you, tomorrow or Monday, where Sissela Bok was that year.
Tomorrow or Monday: It was a very dumb year
She should have read the Atlantic: In the Atlantic, Martin Walker described Stewart’s bungling. Within the worlds of pseudo-journalism and faux academe, this has all been disappeared:
WALKER (10/96): Hillary Clinton broke the law, Stewart said, with the 1987 Whitewater loan-renewal application; she submitted "a false financial document" that inflated the value of the property.
Whoops. As Joe Conason, of The New York Observer, established, Hillary Clinton was right and Stewart was thumpingly wrong. He had failed to read the back of the personal financial statement for the loan-renewal application, where she had explained the valuation in detail. In capital letters at the bottom of the document, where Stewart could hardly have missed it, was the warning "both sides of this statement must be completed."
Whitewater exemplifies the old saw that a lie can travel halfway round the world before the truth has got its boots on. It can get even farther when spurred on by politically partisan dirty tricksters and investigative reporters who read only one side of the paper. To do the Whitewater saga justice, any fair-minded person, citizen or voter must read Gene Lyons. He is a better writer than James Stewart, knows more about Arkansas than Roger Morris, and appears in print to be a far more reliable reporter than the miserable Gary Aldrich.
“To do the Whitewater saga justice, any fair-minded person, citizen or voter must read Gene Lyons.” So too for real academics.
Bok doesn’t seem to have taken Walker’s advice. Decades later, she is dumbly praising the skill of the “investigative reporter who read only one side of the paper,” even as he finds him making his latest clown-car mistakes.
In part 5, we’ll show you the type of ludicrous work with which Bok was distracted that year. 1996 was a very good year—for the sheer dumbness of royals.

645 WHO IS SISSELA BOK! Outlook asked an academic royal to review a con man’s book: FRIDAY, MAY 27, 2011


The moral demise of Brooks: It has been stunning to watch the intellectual demise of the New York Times’ David Brooks. This morning, he muses about the two major parties’ demagogic approaches to Medicare:
BROOKS (5/27/11): Already many consultants are telling Republicans to drop austerity and go back on offense: Spend 2012 accusing the Democrats of sponsoring death panels. The Democrats will spend 2012 accusing Republicans of ending Medicare. Whichever party demagogues best wins.
Whichever party demagogues best!
Brooks imagines the Democrats “accusing Republicans of ending Medicare.” Last evening, we saw the new head of the DNC on Hardball, and that isn’t what she said. Here was Debbie Wasserman Schultz, in her very first statement:
WASSERMAN SCHULTZ (5/26/11): Well, and on top of that, Tim Pawlentythe Ryan plan to end Medicare as we know it was put on his desk as president, he committed that he would sign it into law. today, one of their leading presidential candidates, actually said that if that plan, if
So, I mean, I think it is really— It couldn’t be more clear that Republicans want to end Medicare as we know it and yank the safety net out from under our senior citizens, deny them affordable health care.
She said it twice, in the first twenty seconds: The GOP wants to end Medicare as we know it. Demagoguing nicely himself, Brooks put a demagogic face on what is being said.
On the same op-ed page this morning, Paul Krugman offers a serious account of what has actually been proposed in the Ryan plan. He takes a few minor liberties at one or two minor points—his “76 percent” statistic is selective, for instance—but his presentation is thoroughly serious, as is his topic. As Krugman notes, Democrats are telling the truth about Ryan’s plan—and he seems to know what is being said:
KRUGMAN (5/27/11): Take, for example, the statement that the Ryan plan would end Medicare as we know it. This may have Republicans screaming ''Mediscare!'' but it's the absolute truth: The plan would replace our current system, in which the government pays major health costs, with a voucher system, in which seniors would, in effect, be handed a coupon and told to go find private coverage.
Krugman writes a serious piece. By way of contrast, Brooks has descended to a new realm in the past six months. What illness has left him this way?
Some Democrats and liberals will clown on this topic, of course. On Wednesday night, we thought the Maddow show was an unrelenting hour of self-absorption and innate political dumbness. One problem: Maddow seems to have no idea that the Medicare debate is anything but a political story. Does Medicare need to be improved, adjusted or reconfigured in some way? This willful child doesn’t seem to know that these are serious questions.
Does Medicare need to be improved in some way? On Thursday, the Times editorial board said the answer is yes. “Sooner or later, Democrats will have to admit that Medicare cannot keep running as it is—its medical costs are out of control,” the editors said. “Bill Clinton was right on Wednesday to warn his party that it must bring down those costs if it is to have any credibility on the deficit and the economy.”
Is that assessment correct? We’d like to see Maddow stop her incessant clowning and bring some real experts onto her show to discuss this matter on the merits. Why not ask Krugman himself?
Final point: On Thursday, the Times presented this op-ed piece discussing ways Medicare can save money without reducing meaningful care. Could Maddow get over herself long enough to give such topics a hearing?
Almost surely, the answer is no. For unknown reasons, Lawrence O’Donnell’s show seems to be getting much, much smarter. This is a very good thing. On Maddow, though, it’s all about her—and about ways we can learn to adore her, despite her political dumbness.

644 Special report: Any given Sunday! PART 3—WHO CARES ABOUT COMPETENCE (permalink): Maureen Dowd is one of the founders of “stupidism”—the post-journalistic culture in which bogus facts about consummate trivia are used to drive pre-conceived tales about character.


Yesterday, this dimmest bulb was at it again, this time from dearest Dublin. In Ireland, “Barry O’ kissed and hugged with abandon, totally out of character for him.” So the lady thoughtfully wrote. (Dowd was referring to President Obama.)
Dublin doings brought past events to mind; she even reprised her own past language. Life was good for this dumbest post-journo! As she watched a former “diffident debutante,” seeming was believing once again:
DOWD (5/25/11): The Irish thought they had their dream man when Obama drained a pint of the black stuff in Moneygall. For Barry, who drinks little and watches his calories a lot, that was the equivalent of a keg stand.
[…]
Funnily enough, Obama had to take a foreign trip to seem less foreign to Americans. Even though he did a best-selling memoir about his roots, he has had a persistent and puzzling problem coming across as rooted.
A surprising number of Americans still find the president exotic and existentially detached, falsely believing he's either a Muslim or foreign born. Just before his trip, he gave in to the demands of Donald Trump and other birthers to release his long-form birth certificate.
But with American reporters swarming Moneygall to examine and show off the long-form birth records of Obama's ancestor Fulmouth Kearney, a shoemaker who immigrated to Ohio in 1850, the president suddenly seems more rooted in an ethnic working-class persona that even his critics can recognize.
This dimmest of all journalistic bulbs alluded to an earlier day, when Obama was criticized for drinking too much orange juice. Now, she saw him drink a glass of beer—and she told the world how that made him “seem.”
It made him “seem less foreign,” she said. It made him “suddenly seem more rooted in an ethnic working-class persona.”
It made him “seem” that way to whom? People! Don’t even ask! Seeming was believing again for this dimmest of all our bulbs.
Dowd is a monster of stupid. She largely invented the stupidist culture which rules our millionaire press corps today. Within this brain-dead world, they cluck about politicians’ wives; they finger politicians’ jewels. But then, upper-class culture will always turn dumb. They discuss these topics for an obvious reason: because they’re truly that empty.
Their culture is in thrall to the stupid. For that reason, the Washington Post’s Outlook section featured this silly-bill groaner this Sunday—a massive, sprawling assembly of nonsense in which a former sitcom producer compared a long string of White House contenders to a long string of sitcoms. This was Outlook’s featured, front-page report; it appeared beneath a gigantic, full-color cartoon. If you can fight your way to the end of this pile, you deserve a “Rob Long march” award.
Outlook tends to feature the silly. But when a culture gives way to such dumbness, something else of course occurs. Inevitably, that culture will come to disregard real journalistic competence. In this morning’s New York Times, the Lady Collins goes on and on about the Medicare discussion. As usual, this lady starts by shaking her head about the trials we bear:
COLLINS (5/26/11): Hey, did anybody notice that the Democrat won a special Congressional race in a Republican district in upstate New York? Apparently, she campaigned a lot on protecting Medicare.
OMG! The Democrats are levitating with joy. Never have you seen so many smiling liberals.
''I'm feeling great. I'm ecstatic,'' said Steve Israel, the chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. Israel is also a member of Congress from New York—a state where, in case you hadn't heard, a Democrat won a special Congressional race Tuesday night.
There is no escaping our fate. We are going to spend the next 17 months hearing about how the Republicans want to kill off Medicare. By 2012, the current video on the Web showing a guy who resembles Representative Paul Ryan pushing an old woman off a cliff will look like a Teletubbies skit. By the fall, there will be ads showing the Republicans hacking their way through rows of bedridden seniors with scimitars.
As usual, Collins complains about all the discussions we are fated to endure. She suggests these discussions will be done in bad faith—but go ahead! Review her column! Try to find a single word about the actual merits of any Medicare plan!
Do we face an actual Medicare problem? If so, how might it be addressed? Lady Collins doesn’t care—and she never will.
Any given Sunday, you can see this culture on display in the Washington Post’s Outlook section. This past Sunday, you saw its silly-bill tendencies in at least three different pieces (see THE DAILY HOWLER, 5/25/11). But uh-oh! You saw this culture’s rejection of competence in a fourth report.
Full disclosure: We chatted with the Post’s Paul Farhi one evening a few years ago. In that discussion and in his work, he seems like a thoroughly competent person. Rather plainly, Farhi isn’t one of the Post’s buffoons. But he also isn’t an education writer or specialist.
Why then did Outlook have Paul Farhi write this piece about “fixing America’s schools?” Was Outlook wrong to do so? For the record, his piece appeared on page 2 of the section—but it was teased on page one.
Farhi’s piece is called, “5 Myths about fixing America’s schools.” Most of what he wrote is perfectly sensible; it is every bit as sharp as the work that is typically done by full-fledged education reporters. His outlook is a bit contrarian and therefore refreshing. That said, we were struck by Farhi’s treatment of his very first myth:
FARHI (5/22/11): Myth 1: Our schools are failing.
It's true that schools with large numbers of low-income and English-as-a-second-language students don't perform as well as those with lots of middle- and upper-middle-class students who speak only English. But the demonization of some schools as "dropout factories" masks an important achievement: The percentage of Americans earning a high school diploma has been rising for 30 years. According to the Department of Education, the percentage of 16-to-24-year-olds who were not enrolled in school and hadn't earned a diploma or its equivalent fell to 8 percent in 2008.
Average SAT and ACT scores are also up, even with many more—and more diverse—test-takers. On international exams such as the Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study, U.S. elementary and middle school students have improved since 1995 and rank near the top among developed countries. Americans do lag behind students in Asian nations such as Singapore, Taiwan, Hong Kong, South Korea and Japan on these tests, but so do Europeans. The gap in math and science scores may be an East-West divide.
Hmmm. Like Farhi, we have long suggested that American schools seem to be doing much better than standard cries of alarm would suggest. But doggone it! Farhi uses some shaky measures to bolster this claim, while skipping the strongest data we know about—the ballyhooed National Assessment of Educational Progress, whose data everyone recommends but no one ever describes. NAEP data seem to show massive gains by minority students over the past forty years—and everyone describes this program as “the gold standard” of educational testing. But so what? Even though everyone praises the program, no one describes its findings!
Farhi continues this puzzling practice in this high-profile report.
Farhi isn’t one of the press corps’ gaggle of buffoons. In skipping past the NAEP data, he simply does what everyone does, including “educational experts.” But that is very much the point about our post-journalistic culture. Within this culture, top players really want to discuss the way it “seems” when Obama drinks beer. They really want to talk about the size of Gingrich’s jewels. They really want to discuss Mitch Daniels’ wife, the one who has an “interesting past.” They want to complain that we’ll be forced to watch too many debates, hear too many speeches.
They simply don’t give a flying rat’s ass about the merits of any discussion. In that way, even a bright, well-intentioned fellow ends up using SAT scores (a shaky measure for Farhi’s use) instead of those seminal NAEPs.
This Sunday, Outlook wallowed in The Silly, starting with its featured piece. Farhi’s piece was a rare attempt to talk about a real issue. For our money, Farhi fumbled the first part of this task—in just the way the “experts” do. But then, a culture devoted to The Silly tends to bungle this way.
Let’s recall Outlook’s lineup:
A silly-bill, front-page featured piece by a sitcom producer. A silly-bill piece about following Oprah. A silly piece about Newt’s bad week, written by a guy who just finishing pimping his non-existent brilliance. A suggestion we need to get rid of lawn-blowers—and then, along with all that, a frustrating attempt to discuss an actual issue.
Any given Sunday, this is the stuff of Outlook. But this Sunday, Outlook did something special. It turned to a major name from the academy, producing one of the most intriguing messes we’ve ever seen in its pages.
To whom will a silly culture turn for a dose of High Expertise? On this particular given Sunday, Outlook turned to Sissela Bok.
We think the results were comically bad. But who the heck is she?
Tomorrow: What is truth? Beyond that, who is Bok?

643 WHO CARES ABOUT COMPETENCE! Outlook tried to discuss a real issue. This led to a basic mistake: THURSDAY, MAY 26, 2011


Beer Hall Ed throws himself down the stairs: For unknown reasons, Big Ed Schultz has been aggressively playing the fool in the past several months.
Unlike others, we’ve told you about it. In the past few days, his months of peculiar, offensive goose-stepping gave way to an ugly slur.
(To read all about it, click here.)
Last night, Schultz appeared on TV just long enough to announce that he’d be away for a while. This profoundly unattractive incident raises a set of concerns.
First question: Schultz has been playing storm trooper for months, stomping around and repeating memes from the dumbest back rooms of the Bush White House. Why did so few progressive “intellectual leaders” speak up about this strange conduct?
Second question: Why do so many “progressive” men seem to have so many misogynist slurs sloshing around in their heads?
Having asked those questions, let’s make a few observations:
Ed Schultz isn’t the first. Keith Olbermann engaged in open misogyny for years—and liberals kept their pretty traps shut. For years, we wondered if we were the only ones who were struck by this incessant behavior. (It wasn’t fun complaining about his conduct in the face of massive silence.)
Eventually, we got our answer: A bunch of liberal “intellectual leaders” had found his conduct repellent too—but they had refused to say so in public! See THE DAILY HOWLER, 1/28/11. Hint: Careerist “liberal leaders” may not be tremendous good people.
Ed Schultz isn’t the first. Chris Matthews engaged in ugly misogyny for the better part of a decade. In January 2008, a miracle occurred: The liberal world began to notice; incredibly, many liberals even began to complain! (After all those years, we have no idea why that suddenly happened.) In response, Rachel Maddow ran out and vouched for Matthews, big-time. One week later, she signed her first contract at The One True Liberal Channel.
(See THE DAILY HOWLER, 1/21/08; scroll down to “STARR REPORT.” Also, see THE DAILY HOWLER, 1/15/08.)
Today, Maddow is paid $2 million per year, if Newsweek knows its stuff. To us, this event raised the first warning flag about this self-impressed child. We do hope her money spends good.
Even now, careful careerists have little to say about this problem—and the liberal masses seem stunningly clueless. In this twelve-topic post, Steve Benen managed to slip in a tiny statement about what Schultz did. (Be sure to read all the way to the end!) That said, we strongly recommend the comments from Benen’s readers, most of which deal with Schultz. As we’ve long said—there seems to be virtually no sexual politics within the progressive world.
We liberals like to prance about, informing the world of our vast moral greatness. It’s one of our dumbest political stances.
That said, our greatness isn’t vast. In the case of our leaders, less so.
Final strange inescapable point: The culture at MSNBC has been weirdly misogynistic ever since the time of its founding as a vehicle to hunt down the Clintons, then Gore. Fox is a garden of gender sanity compared to The One True Channel. (So is CNN.)

642 Special report: Any given Sunday! Part 2—STUPIDISM V. SILLY-BILLISM (permalink): Sheryl Gay Stolberg is a very bad person. This morning, she puts the culture of American political “journalism” on vivid, depressing display.


Stolberg’s piece appears on page one of the New York Times, one of the most famous newspapers in the declining collection of duchies still known as “the United States.” In our lexicon, her “political memo” represents an especially noxious example of journalistic “stupidism.”
STOLBERG (5/25/11): All That Glitters May Redefine Run by Gingrich
To the long list of rich-guy foibles that turned into defining campaign moments—John Edwards's $400 haircut, John Kerry's kite-surfing, John McCain's inability to remember how many homes he owns—let us now add Newt Gingrich's using $500,000 revolving line of credit at the luxury jeweler Tiffany & Company.
Like the hapless Bob Schieffer before her, Stolberg has a large cow today over one of the candidates’ jewels. In her noxious opening paragraph, she recalls other recent cases where the culture of stupidism helped “redefine” a White House campaign.
Example: During Campaign 2004, Candidate Kerry dared to go wind-surfing—and someone even took his picture! In response, hapless boobs like Stolberg told us what this troubling conduct showed us about Kerry’s character. Four years earlier, this same collection of half-witted mutants lectured the world about Candidate Gore’s buttons and boots—and about his polo shirts, and about the fact that he wore a brown suit when he debated Candidate Bradley!
In each case, Candidate Bush ended up in the White House.
This morning, the stupidists are at it again through the labors of Stolberg. In fairness: As she pushes that cow out into the world, she does at least acknowledge her agency:
Let “us” add Gingrich’s line to the list, this high-ranking stupidist says.
Having explained who’s creating the list, Stolberg continues her stupidist narrative, crafting a prime example of the way this cult’s adepts “reason.” Note the slippery, nuanced way Stolberg discusses the voters:
STOLBERG (continuing directly): The way Mr. Gingrich sees it, as he said on ''Face the Nation'' on Sunday, he's ''a guy running for president who pays all of his bills,'' who lives within his budget and who is in fact ''very frugal.''
The way some voters out in the rest of America might see it, he's a guy who paid more for jewelry than some people pay for their houses.
Wow! According to Stolberg’s reporting, voters see Gingrich as a guy who paid more for jewelry than people pay for their houses! Well, not exactly: According to Stolberg, somesome voters might do so. (More precisely, this undisclosed number of voters might see Gingrich as a person who paid more for his jewels than some people pay for their houses.) Of course, some voters might see Gingrich as the second coming of the Buddha. We’ll assume that Stolberg won’t waste our time thrashing that “story line” (to use her own chosen term). voters see Gingrich that way; well actually,
Simple story: Stolberg’s piece is part of a post-journalistic culture which took full form during Campaign 2000: A culture in which “journalists” seize upon some trivial matter to drive pre-existing tales about character. Often, the “facts” about these trivial matters will be fudged, invented or redefined to drive the pre-existing tale. Let’s get clear on the stupid way Stolberg does that today.
In her opening paragraph, Stolberg tells us that Gingrich used a “$500,000 revolving line of credit at the luxury jeweler Tiffany.” Like you, we have no real idea what that actually means—but so what? Stolberg quickly tells us how “some” voters “might” see this troubling matter.
Gingrich used a revolving line of credit! In a true journalistic culture, the journalist wasting her time on this matter would try to explain what that murky phrase means. Not Stolberg! This is the best she does at explaining this basic point, in two separate stupid passages:
STOLBERG (continuing directly): It has been a week since Politico broke the news that while working for the House Agriculture Committee, Mr. Gingrich's wife, Callista, filed forms for 2005 and 2006 disclosing her husband's ''revolving charge'' of $250,001 to $500,000 with Tiffany. Mr. Gingrich, insisting his jewelry buying habits are his own business, has declined to say what he bought.
[…]
On CBS News's ''Face the Nation,'' Mr. Gingrich called the credit line a ''standard, no-interest account.''
The Tiffany spokesman, Carson Glover, said the company offers customers a ''revolving credit card agreement'' with state-specific rates; those who hold such cards are eligible for up to 12 months of interest-free borrowing if they spend more than $1,000 on an engagement ring or $5,000 on other merchandise.
Do you know what a “revolving credit card agreement'' is? We don’t know either! That said: As best we can tell from that puddle of muddle, Stolberg has no idea how much jewelry Gingrich ever bought, though he did spend more than $1000. In her attempt to explain why this piffle matters, the stupidist soon offers us the highlighted statement, hiss-spitting as she goes:
STOLBERG: But the glittering strand of diamonds that Mrs. Gingrich wore last month to the Washington premiere of the couple's latest documentary movie looks strikingly like one that Tiffany advertises for $45,000. And Time magazine's Web site on Tuesday posted a slide show of Mrs. Gingrich wearing various baubles that seemed straight out of the Tiffany catalog, including what looks like a $22,000 pair of diamond and gold starburst earrings ''inspired by electrons orbiting in the nucleus of an atom.''
Tiffany's or knockoffs? The Gingrich campaign won't say. But at this point, it no longer matters, according to political strategists of both parties. What matters, they say, is that the Tiffany story is sticking to Mr. Gingrich, helping to define—or perhaps redefine—him in the critical early days of his bid for the Republican presidential nomination.
As House speaker, Mr. Gingrich preached the virtues of fiscal conservatism; now he is struggling to explain how spending large sums on jewelry fits in with that philosophy. And while a spokesman for Tiffany confirmed Tuesday that Mr. Gingrich had paid the debt in full, with no interest, parrying questions about a six-figure jewelry bill is hardly what his campaign needs at a time when many Americans are out of work or have lost their homes.
Did Gingrich “spend large sums on jewelry?” Stolberg doesn’t quite know. (She does know what a “knockoff” is, having looked in the mirror each morning.) But assuming that he actually did spend such money, the stupidist is required to show why this discussion is actually relevant. Stolberg pretends to do that in the highlighted passage, in which we’re invited to imagine a troubling contradiction:
Gingrich preaches the virtues of fiscal conservatism—but he spent large sums on jewelry! With respect, might we offer a point? If you see a contradiction there, then you’re too stupid to play this game! The next time political discourse breaks out, please just stay in the house!
No, there isn’t an actual contradiction between fiscal conservatism and buying a necklace. But by law, the stupidists have to pretend that they’ve spotted a troubling problem—and they’ve been building this culture since Campaign 2000, when they kept it up so long that Bush ended up in command.
By the way: Gingrich said amazingly stupid things all week about very important policy matters. Have you seen a front-page report about that? No! By the rules of stupidism, Stolberg must instead finger his jewels! By definition, the stupidist rarely notices, or cares about, the stupid remarks of others.
Stolberg’s very stupid report is matched by Maureen Dowd’s column today; we’ll discuss that stupid pile tomorrow. But Stolberg’s stupidism is only one part of post-journalistic culture. A related culture, “silly-billism,” was on vibrant display in Sunday’s Outlook section.
The Washington Post still carries a reputation as our leading political newspaper, but it has sunk into cosmic dumbness over the past many years. Any given Sunday, you can see this culture of dumbness in full flower in its high-profile Outlook section. In a rational world, this section would be a weekly salon for very smart political discourse. But consider some of the silly-billism found in its pages this week:
Read this lengthy piece, if you can, about a woman who spent a whole year doing everything Oprah told her. (Our remark is not intended as criticism of Oprah.)
Read this piece, in which Chris Cillizza (briefly) discusses the stupid things Gingrich said about policy matters last week. Predictably, Cillizza fails to tell us that he himself, just one week before, hailed the “considerable strengths” of this long-time ninny, citing the fact that Gingrich is “widely regarded as the brightest policy mind in the [Republican] party” (see THE DAILY HOWLER, 5/13/11).
Most punishingly, fight your way through this long piece about the various Republican candidates. The piece was written by a sitcom producer. Accompanied by a massive graphic, it was Outlook’s featured front-page report. It’s silly-bill crap from beginning to end, reflecting an apparent belief that Post readers have low IQs.
If you can read that featured piece all the way through, you win a silly-bill merit badge for completing a long hard slog. For extra credit, scan this piece, about how we should get rid of lawn-blowers.
Let’s establish the difference between these two schools: Stupidism drives a political point. By way of contrast, silly-billism simply wastes everyone’s time with utterly pointless blather. Any given Sunday, these complementary cultures are found all over Outlook.
This Sunday, the Outlook section’s featured piece was a dumb-brick review of Republican hopefuls. In the next two days, we’ll review two additional front-page Outlook efforts—pieces which truly show us the broken soul of American post-journalist culture.
Tomorrow: Good lord—Sissela Bok on James Stewart!

641 STUPIDISM V. SILLY-BILLISM: Sheryl Gay Stolberg is a very bad person, as she makes clear today: WEDNESDAY, MAY 25, 2011


Coming across as a fraud: It helps when you have a good candidate! Smiling broadly and speaking clear regional English, Kathy Hochul came across as a superb political figure in her victory speech last night. As county clerk of Erie County, Hochul is an experienced public figure, of course—but beyond that, she seems familiar with life out in the real world.
Hochul came across as a superb public figure. We only wish we could say the same for Rep. Steve Israel (D-NY), who appeared on last night’s Ed Show to celebrate Hochul’s victory. Schultz kept the goose-stepping to a minimum—but Israel offered pure twaddle:
ISRAEL (5/24/11): This is not just a win for Democrats and it is not just a win for Kathy Hochul, who will be an extraordinary and independent member of Congress. It is a win for Medicare. And it is a very serious warning sign for Republicans who would continue this reckless scheme to terminate Medicare in order to fund those tax cuts for big oil companies.
[…]
I think tonight proves to Democrats and Republicans throughout the entire country that we have better priorities. We don’t need to reduce Medicare, we need to reduce the tax subsidies to the big oil companies. That’s the choice that we presented to the American people and the voters of New York’s 26th district agree with our choice and our priorities.
That highlighted statement is pure perfect garbage. Do we need to “reduce Medicare” in some way? You’ll have to speak to some actual experts. (That would not include Digby.) But if we get rid of those “tax subsidies to the big oil companies,” it will reduce future deficits by $21 billion total, over the next ten years. The current deficit, just for this year, is around $1.5 trillion.
A trillion is quite a bit more than a billion; you can check with your local math teacher. Nor does anyone need to “terminate Medicare” to fund those tax cuts for the big oil companies. Are we really that dumb?
To our eye and ear, Hochul came across as a superb public figure. Israel came across a fraud.

640 Special report: Any given Sunday! PART 1—RULE BY CHURCH LADY (permalink): Jeff Zeleny almost seemed upset by the way the story has been told.


On the front page of yesterday’s New York Times, Zeleny reported that Indiana governor Mitch Daniels will not be running for president. According to Daniels, the idea was vetoed by his wife and by the couple’s four daughters.
Eventually, Zeleny provided a bit of context. He helped us see how this family’s story had been misreported—“in Indiana,” that is:
ZELENY (5/24/11): The Daniels family saw a glimpse of the spotlight when Cheri Daniels agreed to make a rare public speech at the spring dinner of the Indiana Republican Party. Her appearance touched off stories about the couple's divorce in 1993 and Mrs. Daniels's decision to move briefly to California with another man, whom she married in 1995. Two years later, she remarried Mr. Daniels.
In Indiana, Mr. Daniels has been portrayed as the father who raised his four daughters when Mrs. Daniels moved away. A review of the divorce file in Boone County Court showed that Mrs. Daniels tried to take her daughters, 7 to 13 at the time, to California, but that Mr. Daniels blocked her effort with an emergency appeal to the court.
He also tried to block her effort to buy a house, court records show, but a judge overruled his request. She moved back to Indianapolis and had joint custody of the children until the couple remarried.
In a statement on Sunday to The Indianapolis Star, Mr. Daniels sought to clarify that episode, saying they had raised the children together. ''The notion that Cheri ever did or would abandon her girls or parental duty is the reverse of the truth and absurd to anyone who knows her,'' he said.
This story has been wrongly portrayed “in Indiana”—or so it seemed from Zeleny’s account. In fact, Cheri Daniels only “moved briefly” to California when she divorced her husband in the early 1990s; she soon moved back to Indianapolis and helped him raise their girls. Topping off his reappraisal, Zeleny quoted Daniels defending his wife. The notion that she would abandon her girls is the “reverse of the truth,” he had said.
Reading Zeleny, you would have thought that this story was bungled by journalists “in Indiana.” But where did many people get the impression that Cheri Daniels abandoned the kids, apparently for three years? Uh-oh! Many people got that impression in a May 12 report by Jeff Zeleny! On that day, Zeleny had played Church Lady on the front page of this same New York Times.
Here’s how Zeleny told the story, all of thirteen days ago. Granted, the Timesman was “in Indiana” when he filed his report:
ZELENY (5/12/11): While much is known about Mr. Daniels in Republican circles, where he is viewed as a fiscally focused, budget-cutting, pragmatic-thinking conservative, there is one period of his life that has remained almost entirely private—until now.
He has been married twice—to the same wife.
Should he run, that chapter in his life would no doubt be picked over in public and become a part of the personal narrative that springs up around any serious candidate: in this case a three-year gap in their marriage in the 1990s, when she filed for divorce, moved to California with a new husband and left Mr. Daniels to raise their four daughters, then ages 8 to 14. She later returned and remarried him.
He has discussed it only once publicly, telling The Indianapolis Star in 2004: ''If you like happy endings, you'll love our story. Love and the love of children overcame any problems.''
Should Daniels run, this story “would no doubt be picked over in public,” Zeleny wrote, as he himself picked it over in public. That said, let’s review a contradiction:
“In Indiana, Mr. Daniels has been portrayed as the father who raised his four daughters when Mrs. Daniels moved away.” So clucked Zeleny, yesterday morning. He forgot to add a basic fact—that’s the way he himself told the story, just twelve days before!
But so it goes when the nation’s Church Ladies seize control of a White House campaign. The ladies have been clucking hard in recent weeks about the sins of the vile Cheri, who even carries a Frenchified name, a name which reeks of sweet perfume. Only naturally, Michelle Cottle has been leading the way, continuing her long campaign to succeed Cokie Roberts as establishment Washington’s official ranking Church Lady. But Church Ladies come in both genders these days—and they seem to be a bit slow to admit their own mistakes.
Yesterday, we uttered low mordant chuckles as we reviewed the way Zeleny adjusted his copy from two weeks before. But that’s how the Church Ladies play.
The Church Ladies love to stick their long noses into other folks’ underwear drawers. Beyond that, they love to make a campaign so dumb, so fatuous, so inane, that even theyvery poorly for liberals and Dems in the past several decades. But we liberals now seem to love the dumbness too, as we saw in yesterday’s Salon, when Justin Elliott authored this long, dumb report about Newt Gingrich’s jewels. can find it intriguing. This low-IQ system has worked
The dumbness of our political culture is a thing to behold—and a threat to the nation. That cultural dumbness got Clinton impeached; it then sent George Bush to the White House. But as pseudo-liberals have emerged from the woods in the wake of that latter disaster, we too have developed an obvious taste for The Dumb. Our editors seem to think that their liberal readers are dumb, and they rush to serve them piffle. This system will never work well for our side, but it feels very good going down.
Our political culture swims in The Dumb; The Dumb is now our cultural ruler. On any given Sunday, this fact becomes abundantly clear in the Washington Post’s Outlook section. This past Sunday, the section led with a tribute to The Dumb, as a silly TV producer compared the various Republican hopefuls to a long list of American sitcoms. But The Dumb appeared all through the high-profile section, as is true many weeks.
Any given Sunday, The Dumb rules the Post. This culture works poorly for progressive interests—and for America’s future.
Coming: Long on sitcoms, Bok on Stewart, and other great gifts to The Dumb

639 RULE BY CHURCH LADY! Zeleny told the story one way. Then, he told it another: TUESDAY, MAY 24, 2011


What Bill Clinton proposed: Can it possibly help progressive interests when progressives let themselves go dumb? Here is Digby, who is increasingly losing her way due to her tribal loathing:
DIGBY (5/23/11): So I've been hearing that conservatives can't be racists because some of their best candidates are black. I wonder how this fits into that thesis. Here we have a major social conservative on the subject of Obama's trip to Ireland:
She then played tape of a dumb, lost soul. But the gigantic dumbness of her own statement, the one we’ve highlighted, represents a major fall.
Can it possibly help when our intellectual leaders succumb to the lure of The Dumb? Earlier yesterday, we were struck by a Digby post about Bill Clinton and Social Security.
In her post, Digby listed the names of some of the people who will appear at the “Peterson Foundation’s 2nd Annual Fiscal Summit.” Participants will include Bill Clinton and Gene Sperling, who served as National Economic Adviser during Clinton’s second term. Speaking of the listed participants, Digby then wrote this:
DIGBY (5/23/11): Gosh I wonder what they're going to say? It's a little bit odd that they were unable to find even one person who hasn't advocated cuts and partial or total privatization of Social Security but I guess it's possible that all 70 percent of the American public who are against that already had plans.
*Yes Bill Clinton certainly did entertain that idea.
Dear lord, how good the snark felt! As proof that Clinton did “entertain that idea” (an instant step back from “advocacy”), Digby linked to this fuzzy, 2005 report by the San Francisco’s Chronicle’s Carolyn Lochhead.
Question: Did Bill Clinton ever advocate “partial or total privatization of Social Security?” In fairness, Digby’s post let progressives enjoy a good solid cry; in response, some commenters blustered and yelled about the vast vile perfidy. But Lochhead’s report is very fuzzy, especially when she makes this very dumb claim: “Although their approaches differed, what Clinton said then and Bush is saying now—about the program's condition and what it will take to fix it—are strikingly similar.”
Please. Since Clinton made a formal proposal about Social Security during the period in question, we thought progressives might want to review what he actually proposed.
Clinton’s proposal was made in the 1999 State of the Union address. The next day, Amy Goldstein made some classic misstatements about Social Security in her front-page Washington Post news report. (“Social Security is expected to run out of money when the trust fund that pays retirees' checks is depleted in the year 2032.” Then as now, utterly hopeless.) But here is Goldstein’s account of Clinton’s actual proposal, in which he recommended how to use those looming federal surpluses.
Please note: The savings accounts Clinton proposed would have been in addition to regular Social Security benefits:
GOLDSTEIN (1/20/99): The largest part of the plan would pour nearly two-thirds of the federal surplus into Social Security over the next 15 years, and invest a portion of that money in the market. While shifting some money into stocks, this approach would satisfy liberals by leaving intact the program's basic character as a safety net that provides a guaranteed monthly retirement check to all Americans.
The other part of the initiative would create a new type of individual savings program, devoting $500 billion from the federal surplus to give most working people seed money to open their own retirement accounts. The government also would help match people's personal investments as they built up those accounts over time, giving more money to those with low incomes. This approach might satisfy GOP desires to rest more of the nation's retirement system on private savings accounts, though it would not go so far as to privatize the Social Security system itself.
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The plan Clinton laid out is the most recent phase of an effort he began a year ago to find a way to safeguard the long-term future of Social Security—and to make reform of the nation's largest entitlement programs, including Medicare, a part of his legacy.
In last year's State of the Union address, he challenged Congress not to spend any of the budget surplus until the government dealt with Social Security, an idea resented by many Republicans who favor using at least a portion of the money for a tax cut. Clinton then began to try to galvanize public support to restructure the retirement system by convening a series of "town meetings" and a White House conference last month.
Started in the depths of the Depression in 1935, Social Security is expected to run out of money [sic] when the trust fund that pays retirees' checks [sic] is depleted in the year 2032. The program is funded through payroll taxes and right now has more money coming in than it pays out to retirees. But that will change once the baby boom generation begins retiring in about a decade.
With the shift of $2.7 trillion from the projected surplus to the trust fund, and the expected higher earnings from the stock market, the White House estimates the program would remain solvent until 2055.
Clinton said he would like to find ways to make the program last until 2075, but White House officials did not name any of the more painful steps that would almost certainly be required to do that, such as cutting benefits or making people wait longer to enter the program.
In fact, the White House plan would make the basic program more generous and presumably slightly more expensive. It would increase benefits for widows and eliminate a provision that now phases out Social Security payments for beneficiaries who continue to work and earn more than a specified amount.
The administration did not specify exactly how much money the government would give people for their private savings accounts, which would be funded using 11 percent of the budget surplus over the next 15 years. The basic idea is that the government would give a flat sum to everyone who decided to open an account. Then, trying to address liberal beliefs that the poor deserve more help, the program would create a sliding scale to match some or all of the personal money that people invested in their accounts.
Gene Sperling, Clinton's top economic aide, said that the program would not be available to those with the highest incomes but that most working families would qualify.
Even relatively liberal policy experts who praised the concept said it had a flaw. "My biggest concern is, how do you keep such a program going if the surplus goes away?" said Marilyn Moon, an Urban Institute economist and public trustee of the Social Security system.
Let’s review:
In the 1998 State of the Union, Clinton said the projected federal surpluses should be applied to Social Security’s long-range balance sheet. In this way, he blocked the House GOP’s proposal for a large tax cut.
In 1999, he made his full proposal: 62 percent of those federal surpluses would be used to strengthen the program’s finances, thus extending the life of Social Security by some twenty years. Some of that money would be invested in the stock market—but it would be invested as a federal fund under federal direction, not as part of individual “private accounts.” Other funds would be used to help citizens establish savings accounts—savings accounts which would operate in addition to their regular Social Security benefits, which would not be cut.
That was Clinton’s proposal for the use of those looming federal surpluses. After Chris Matthews sent George Bush to the White House, this new president had a different idea; he used those projected federal surpluses for his massive tax cuts. Whatever one thinks of Clinton’s proposal—Candidate Gore didn’t agree with several parts of the plan—the Clinton proposal was vastly different from anything Bush ever did.
Yesterday, Digby treated progressives to a good solid cry; in response, some commenters bellowed and wailed. Question: Does anyone know what progressives gain when we take this self-pitying route?
Who is Carolyn Lochhead: We’re not familiar with Lochhead’s work, although the piece which provided Digby’s “evidence” is hopelessly weak. That said: In 2009, a Daily Kos poster complained, in some detail, about Lochhead’s “history of articles that slant slyly to the right.”
“Carolyn Lochhead…misleads on Health Care Reform.” So said the Daily Kos headline. To review the piece, click here.

Sunday, May 29, 2011

638 All world sports bar - Fox River boat landing - Johnson's Dead End, in FRIG

Where the 16 ox PBR's cosst $2.00 per, and there is ALWA"YS some sports event on the tube (and there are some real nice tubes);  where the juke box is the expected excellent stasndard,  the pool table shoots true,  the customers polite and humble,  the beer tender fast and steady,  and it's appropriately sheilded from the sun ... nice dark place to hang out on a gorgeous sunny afternoon!



Dead End Tavern

4.5 star rating
3 reviews
100 Northwest Hwy
Fox River Grove, IL 60021
(847) 639-2535

Outdoor Seating:
Yes
Music:
Juke Box
Alcohol:
Full Bar
Coat Check:
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  • Review from Andrew M.

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    Fox River Grove, IL
    5.0 
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    6/15/2010
    I've been living in the area for 30 years and starting at the age of 16 began sneaking into another local joint in Cary. Well THAT place got rid of the pool table, cleaned up it's act and now I see baby-showers there!?! Oh the horror!

    I like a good dive with great food and recently said hell with it - I'm going to the Dead End. So my high school bud and I (same one who snuck into that other bar at the age of 16) headed here and we were not disapointed.

    The long time owner is true to the bars history and food is GREAT!
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  • Review from Mick W.

     
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    Chicago, IL
    4.0 
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    3/14/2010
    This place is a hidden gem!  Yes, it is a bar ... and suprisingly it serves food.  We'll actually it serves great food for a bar and their Pizza Rocks!  Much better than any of the major chains.  ... yeah the only down side is that it doesn't accept credit/debit.  

    Don't be fooled by the bate machine outside ... it's got a nice river view and deck to boot.
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  • Review from Tom W.

     
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    4.0 
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    Updated - 10/14/2009
    After getting to know some of the staff there, we decided to try the food at the dead end one day for lunch...we were not disappointed and love the daily specials they offer. the burger's are always great and the soups and chili also rock. they also have free wifi to entice the sunday fantasy football crowd.  remember bring cash or use the atm near the door because they don't do plastic!!
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    • 3.0 
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      11/25/2008 First to Review
      Nestled right off the Fox River, The Dead End is a bar with a live bait machine outside.  My… Read more »
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